Edwards on Nightline: You know who else cheated? John McCain
I’m not registered on the site so I can’t really leave a comment over there. I did find that article and video to be of great interest. There were a few comments that were left by people that had made excellent points about the difference between the cheating ways of both John McCain and John Edwards..
1. OK, so McCain cheated. But at least he got a blond beer heiress out of the deal. Silky got a baby, a two-minute video and public ruin.
2. The most delicious part about this whole affair, is not only is he bald-faced lying thru his teeth about the timing of the affair, his paternity, the length of the affair, the payoffs with campaign cash, etc., but someone this arrogant and self-absorbed, HAD to have done this before. So, watching this on TV, his other mistresses will soon be selling the stories to the NI for cash, in order to hammer this scum bag. Then, the truth will come out about all. And, because of the Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Delusional Democratic Traitor Nutbag elites, have already set the “standard” with their slavish defense of the scummy Clinton Rapes/Affairs/Sexual harassments/etc., Elizabeth Edwards CANNOT divorce the clown….she has to ride it out, and pull a Hillary! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Et Tu Democrats….Et Tu….you destroyed the moral fiber of this country with your butt-kissing of the Arkansas Scum, now you’ve been hoisted on your own petard…..
3. During his next news conference, Silky will be saying “Yes, I had an affair, but I did not have sex with that woman!” You can’t improve on the (democrat) classics.
4. Edwards maybe a bigger zero than Obama if that is possible. The worst part of this whole mess is Elizabeth coming out defending adultery as nobody’s business. The fact her husband was delusional enough to run for president should not be effected by the fact he has no morals. I pity Elizabeth for being so intellectually deficit.
5. On H & C last night KP argued for Edwards, saying that this only mattered when one looks for a husband, but not when choosing a president. Her article is a huge, and good, attempt at salvage. But she couldn’t help herself but bring in the “McCain cheated on ex wife” mantra. McCain probably cheated, but his ex is claiming the marriage was over when he came back and that they would have separated one way or another. She stands by him for the election and they are still friends. Why not keep that story to a stand-alone, and not equivalent to this one?
6. 1. McCain was not a candidate for public office 30 years ago when he had his affair. I don’t condone his behavior, but – McCain has not lied about the affair. OK, I’m sure it’s not one of the things in his life he’s really proud about, but he didn’t make a public campaign on his overwhelming morality, and then let it leak out that his first marriage fell apart when he got home from Viet Nam. The media, by and large, has showed that they are not in the news business, but in the public relations business for Democratic partisan hacks. I think I’ll go see what the National Enquirer has to say about the war in Georgia. I suspect they might have more accurate coverage than the NYT. Come to think of it, maybe I can encourage our local library to cancel the NYT and subscribe to the Times of London, which still understands that news includes stuff discomforting to politicians of any party.
7. McCain’s Wikipedia entry quotes a 2007 Arizona Republic interview of him concerning his 1976(!) affair:
McCain said that he “had not shown the same determination to rebuild (his) personal life” as he had shown in his military career, and that “marriages can be hard to recover after great time and distance have separated a husband and wife. We are different people when we reunite….But my marriage’s collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine.”
I’d say that’s pretty candid and “straight talk.” Also remember that he took care of his first wife and his daughter by her even after their marriage was over.
8. McCain had numerous affairs, and the timeline on when his first marriage ended and the courtship to his second one began is muddled, to put it charitably. (Was he separated at the time? He says so. Others are less clear.) Their friends the Reagans dropped him and offered his ex a job on the campaign and then another job at the White House. This happened before McCain went into politics. He tended to bring it up himself to his journalist friends — get it out early, express remorse, take responsibility, etc. Also, he’s representing a more libertarian part of the country — Arizona. It’s definitely not something to be proud of, but it ended up not being a career-killer.
The bottom line here is that McCain’s first marriage having not worked out doesn’t keep me from voting for McCain. As much as I would like to see another Presidential Candidate that is more of a Libertarian, you will NOT get me to OR see me vote for Obama. Obama is going to be far more trouble and what scares me even more is the company that he keeps, the company that he has thrown under a bus in order to save his political image that supposedly inspires a different kind of change in order to make us believe that he is not who we think he is. I hope you figure it out before November and maybe you’ll realize this has nothing to do with what you call yourself.. ie: republican democrat, etc. Do your homework and be careful the trappings that you find yourself in.
I don’t like cheaters, period. Infidelity disturbs me in such a way that I can’t really explain it. Just as an example, the minute a movie starts to depict someone cheating on their spouse, I stop watching it (even it’s staring my favorite actors or actresses). And that’s just a movie… it’s pretend. But it disgusts me so much that I can’t watch it. So you can imagine how much it angers me in real life. And that goes for friends, family– you name it. I’ve “taken sides” with in-laws over my own family members if my family member cheated. To me, blood isn’t “thicker” than what’s right and wrong.
That said, I also believe in repentence and fully believe that people can change. However, TRUE change can only be determined by others over the course of several years. I wouldn’t trust a recovering drug addict after only 6 months– not even after a year, or two. It would take several years maybe 3 -5 for me to believe that they’d REALLY changed– so that I could see that even when something bad happened- loss of a job, loss of a loved one, etc– that they didn’t turn back to the drugs.)
Additionally, I’ve always felt like it’s stupid to judge someone based on what they did a long time ago, when they were a teenager or young college student. For example, I thought the whole thing about Clinton having smoked pot when he was in college was stupid. I couldn’t stand him as a president– but I also refused to hold something that he did 30 something years previously, against him.
I see the cheating thing with Edwards and McCain in the same light. McCain’s infidelity was what? 30 something years ago?? What he did was horrible. It was disgusting, really.
He was truly behaving worse than a pig.
However, I can’t hold against him, what he did SOOO long ago. Most likely, he’s a totally different person than he was 30 years ago. If it turned out that he cheated on his CURRENT wife in the past several years, then YES, I WOULD count that against him.
Edwards did this RECENTLY. We’re talking over the past 2 years. And then, he lied about it all the way up to last week. That speaks to his character NOW.
It looks like Edwards is going to land himself in jail for all that hush money that was dished out. LOVELY
John McCain is no different. He sold out his ex- wife for political expediency and money. He has never worked for anything. His family gave him his military ranking. He graduated at the bottom of his class. He is famous for being a POW. That is all well, I respect that. But do not separate the two and try and make it different. The only difference I see, is Edwards did not leave Elizabeth to struggle with her illness on her own. He is still with her. However John McCain dropped his first wife like a sack of bricks, and ran off with Cindy. Yes he was still married when he was galavanting around with Cindy. That is why the Reagans, threw him out with the bathwater. He is nothing but an opportunist.
Dee– how old are you?
If you’re an adult around 28-35, would you want me to judge you NOW, based on what you did 10-15 years ago? All the stuff you did when your parents weren’t around? All the stuff you did in private? The way you treated a girl you didn’t like at school, maybe? Should I assume you’re the SAME person now, that you were then? That you haven’t grown up or matured at all over the years? That you don’t regret the bad decisions you made? That you might have changed and grown morally over the years? Do you want me to assume that you’d do the same things, make any of the same bad decisions, do some of the same stupid things NOW, that you did then?
I believe there are two types of people that make poor choices in life.
The first type of person is the one that makes a mistake, realizes the gravity of what they have done and never makes the same mistake again.
The second type of person is the one that makes a mistake, realizes the gravity of what they have done and chooses to make the same mistake again.. and again.. and again.. no matter the cost OR the people affected.
It will be interesting to see what happens to John Edwards and whether he is able to stay out of jail over his deal with the money that was involved in keeping his mistress quiet, etc.
I believe that people can change but only their actions will be proof of that change…
Let’s see….John Edwards cheated on his wife but stayed with her, and he is completely unredeemable. John McCain cheated on his wife, dumped her, and he is redeemable. You didn’t say who you meant when you said Obama threw someone under a bus, but without more specifics you give us no good reason for NOT voting for Obama. Does it mean nothing to you that Reagan considered McCain a scumbag?
Cheating on your spouse is wrong. People make mistakes. It’s up to the people that are closest to them as to whether they are going to be forgiven. Every situation is different. I don’t think John McCain’s failed marriage should keep him from being our next president. He’s been married to Cindy for over 30 years. Everybody has moved on. His failed first marriage was a LONG time ago and there are two sides to every story. John Edwards isn’t running for President and he wasn’t picked to.
Obama through Reverend Wright under the bus. He’s embarrassed by him and ashamed (so it seems). However, the fact remains that Obama knew how his mentor, pastor and friend felt about the United States of America ALL these years. If my pastor had said anything similar to what Wright had told his congregation over the years I would have left my church a long time ago. And I certainly wouldn’t pretend not to know what the pastor said to the congregation. I understand why Obama is now distancing himself from Wright. He is trying hard not to run his platform with race being the issue. People forget that Obama is 1/2 white and 1/2 black so I think it’s sad that race is even brought into the mix at all.
Ronald Reagan was a good man. I seriously do not think he considered McCain a “scumbag” as you put it. So you and I disagree.