This is only Part of what I see in Obama - be Very afraid folks!
Posted by angela on 05/12/08 in Domestic Ramblings
Thanks PTG for showing me this one!
PTG said: We should cut Obama some slack. After all he is the victim of the racist AmeriKKKan system that keeps poor black kids from learning geography and history. You know, Barack is black and grew up poor and oppressed in the inner city ghetto. Wait a minute…
Come on Gayla - Please don’t doubt your first instincts as to why this man should NOT be President of the United States. This election is going to be choosing the lesser of the political evils.
I know you want to know what people see in Obama but hopefully it’s not because you need to be convinced to vote for him. PLEASE do NOT open yourself up to THAT possibility.
This isn’t an election of RACE.
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Becki | May 12, 2008 | Reply
57 states! WTH????????????????????/
Patrick | May 13, 2008 | Reply
This video is about 30 seconds long. These candidates are on the campaign trail every single day with hardly any sleep. They can make mistakes. I could show many mistakes Clinton and McCain have made. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t vote for them. What is the context of the video?
Vote for someone because of their platform, not because of a mistake in one of the hundreds or thousands of speeches they give. Sigh.
What is so bad about the ACLU (the site the video was posted on)? Protecting people’s rights is a bad thing? Why should we stop the ACLU? America is a litigious society. In my opinion, the ACLU is on the people’s side.
ptg | May 14, 2008 | Reply
Like I said, folks want to cut Barry some slack! Thanks for the props.
P: Ask the folks in Plattsmouth, NE whose side the ACLU was on when they sued the city for having the 10 Commandments in a park.
Patrick | May 14, 2008 | Reply
I think that Plattsmouth was sued because the 10 Commandments being in a PUBLICALLY FUNDED park may be against the constitution. Whether it is or not is subject to debate, but many people see this as a violation of the separation of church and state.
The ACLU was trying to defend the constitution as they see in their interpretation. So maybe Plattsmouth sees it as bad, but in many people’s eyes, defending the constitution is a good thing. The ACLU was not on Plattsmouth’s side, but on the side of what they see is the law. It can be debated however.
Usually I’m not offended by memorials or things like that in public spaces. However, if the city is not willing to compromise or they refuse the rights of other religions to put commandments or passages in the park, I would have a huge problem with that. If Pastafarians or Atheists wanted to put a saying in the park, I bet citizens of Plattsmouth would have a problem with it.
All of it may be debatable, but I think the ACLU wants equality, which should be good for all.
ptg | May 14, 2008 | Reply
Like I said, ask the people. Nobody is taking your ‘bet’.
Patrick | May 14, 2008 | Reply
Of course the people of Plattsmouth think the ACLU is against them. I totally agree that the folks there would think the ACLU is against them. However, the ACLU is just trying to keep the constitution intact, even if it’s unpopular. So in my mind, the ACLU is needed.
ptg | May 14, 2008 | Reply
P, first you said the ACLU was “for the people”, now you say they aren’t. The ACLU is a biased outfit with a clearly defined leftist, atheist agenda.
If the ACLU thinks so highly of the Constitution, why don’t they ever take 2nd Amendment cases except on the side of anti-gunners? Because gun control is part of their agenda.
BTW, you might want to look in the Constitution and tell me where it says private donations can’t be used to put up a stone with the 10 Commandments on it in a park. The words ’separation of church and state’ are not in the Constitution. And it has not one word in it about city parks.
The ACLU reads the Constitution to suit their anti-religious bent. What part of the Constitution was not intact when the stone was in the park?
The Constitution will get along just fine, as it has since 1789, without the ACLU being in any sense necessary.
(Don’t try to spoof me, I’ve been a lawyer for more than 25 years and know what the Constitution and the courts say about the establishment clause.)
angela | May 15, 2008 | Reply
You Go PTG!!
Patrick | May 19, 2008 | Reply
Well, because of our current president, the constitution isn’t doing too well. His administration has been using it for toilet paper since about 2002 (just look at the ironically named PATRIOT Act). This has little to do with the ACLU, but it’s just a reply on your 1789 comment.
Just about every organization has an agenda. Yeah, the ACLU has one. It is probably one-sided as well. You hit the nail on the head there. But in my opinion, most of their endeavors are on my side (maybe not yours in most cases) as a citizen.
I also never said that the constitution prohibit private donations to fund a stone monument inside a public park.
You clearly know more than me. I have never taken a law class or heavily studied constitutional law. The establishment clause isn’t as written isn’t black and white (to me). It just says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.
However, I think that publicly spent money should not be used for religious purposes. Is that being done? Yes. Of course it is, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it. We may have different interpretations of the establishment clause and its limits of power. The courts decide that, not me.
It is generally thought that the establishment clause means that the US (or Congress maybe) should not put preference of one religion over another. This is probably what the ACLU is seeing with the Plattsmouth monument. Is that clearly the case here? Maybe. It’s up to people’s interpretations. However, if I wanted to put an Atheistic quote up with private money in the park, I bet I would be sued as well (or the city would be). Also, I bet Plattsmouth wouldn’t let me put it up anyway, maybe breaking the general thought of preference of one religion (or belief) not being put before another. Is that certain? No. But from what I have known of the people here in the Midwest, I bet it would happen.
I can be wrong about many things. I’m just putting my opinions out there, and trying to support some with facts. I can be wrong, but I’m just using my right to voice my opinion.